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Religion??Fact or Fiction??
tonetDate: Friday, 14/11/2008, 12:08:32 PM | Message # 21
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naglibog jd ko sa inyu storya....

y would you say kng tuo or dili tuo sa "religion" wat do u mean man,, religion as a whole najd?or are we talking about just one???

coz wen u say religion diba dat would also include atheists ug agnostics, which is dili mutuo ug god or whether he/it really exists????

do u mean christianity ra?? or basin inyu pasabot kay "religions"....

Message edited by tonet - Friday, 14/11/2008, 12:19:12 PM
 
mzapantaDate: Friday, 14/11/2008, 2:01:57 PM | Message # 22
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whatever religion kay BULL ra para nako. gi-invent rana para maka-cope up sa life ang tao.

But God exists kay..
if imo subayon giunsa pagstart sa life jud.. like life in general..
katong initial living spark nga gisugdan sa universe.. only someone or something so powerful can make it.

 
tonetDate: Friday, 14/11/2008, 3:56:07 PM | Message # 23
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sakto jd ka chelle...
ako pd mtuo ko na naa jd ginoo...mao nay fact!! ang mga stories behind kay questionable jd...
naa gani ko nabasahan na article tara ang murag summary niya...

from: david brooks

"Religion is a man-made concept serving many purposes and objectives, the two most important of which are coping with death and maintaining a functioning society. It is essentially the glue that holds people together as a society. Religion tells us how to live with and relate to others. It gives us a reason to hold moral value. It gives us a reason to be kind to our neighbors and to lend a helping hand to those in need. What is this reason? So that we, as individuals, can continue to live in some unknown fashion or state of consciousness beyond death; so that we can feel that we have a purpose that goes beyond life. "

"Without religion, simply put, it would be survival of the fittest, the craftiest, and the wealthiest. Society would digress to the times before religion, a time when all that mattered was survival from day to day. "

 
vergie4uDate: Friday, 14/11/2008, 8:43:17 PM | Message # 24
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@faith
nkabasa nko tbuok bibliya faith...hehe
and i assure tann dwe, na dghan kau contradictions..
but dnt get me wrong..
i lyk the bible merely as a literary piece, not a religious guideline..
@raymond
saon mana nmo pg-debate mon kng wa kai reason??..
we are always good at finding reasons at what we do, but fail to do what we find reasons for... biggrin
@tonet
sakto jud na tonet..hehe
pwo sa trend nowadays, kay ang ilang faith in religion is running their lives nmn..
as if, everything here and then happened by and for religion...
@mechelle
dba ana man jud nang human person chelle?..ehehe
evrything that they can't and fail to explain they instantly attribute it to some divine works...
dnt get me wrong npod ah...
tuo jud bya kog Ginoo..hehehe
ako purpose is pra madayon2 ang debate... cool

OT:
ako personally, wa koi agenst ana..hehe
Our personal faith, is the true faith...
wai mkapugos natoh ug pgtuo sa mga di natoh nhan tuohan...



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jrans1987Date: Saturday, 15/11/2008, 2:23:40 AM | Message # 25
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sakto djud ka dong ... wa djud bya ta gi pugos og tuo ... mao gani gi hatagan
tag free will ... depende ra djud na sa tao ... happy


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mzapantaDate: Saturday, 15/11/2008, 3:35:57 AM | Message # 26
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kinsa naghatag og free-will nimo? Si God noh? tag-an pako. haha.

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dba ana man jud nang human person chelle?..ehehe
evrything that they can't and fail to explain they instantly attribute it to some divine works...

mao gani BULL ang religion.. ^^
pero sa mga religious na tao ari, i respect you. i'm sorry if ing-ani ko haha.
 
jrans1987Date: Saturday, 15/11/2008, 4:49:14 AM | Message # 27
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hi chelle ! happy

OT:

yup2x c GOD mao gani di au ko mo tuo og religion kay wala
man ka pugsa ni GOD og apil og religion ang gipangayo niya
kay faith raman ... heheheh sakto ba ?


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paingDate: Saturday, 15/11/2008, 6:00:26 AM | Message # 28
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FREEWILL??? DBA?? SA GOVERMENT NAH?? KAY DEMOCRATIC TAH NA COUNTRY?? NAA TAY FREE WILL???


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tonetDate: Saturday, 15/11/2008, 9:42:15 AM | Message # 29
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ana man jd na ang mga tao diba, man has and will always create and find ways to try to answer the things we
cannot answer and to give "reason to life". and why have we done this? that's because we can..compared sa uban living creatures.

religion means good faith man....dats y tuo ko...pero im not saying pd na tuo ko ug just 1 religion like ana christianity...
(ako gani karn, kay di ko musulti na as in, mutuo ko and musunod jd ko sa catholic teachings...kay lain2x man ila sulti compare sa ubang religion/christian religion...naa koy ka.agreehan...nila, dli lng usa...)

actually ang religion has a lot meanings man so kani tubaga...

what is religion for you? (like unsay meaning ana pra nimu)
and so, why would you say na tuo ka or dli....???

Message edited by tonet - Saturday, 15/11/2008, 9:43:27 AM
 
remive4uDate: Saturday, 15/11/2008, 1:42:01 PM | Message # 30
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religion is a means to diversify themselves to other people whom they hav a disagreement with..
di man necessarily religion pertains to God2...
ako, personally..
di ko tuo ana...
merely bec. it doesnt explain the things they are tryng to preach...
they always attribute anything that they cnt explain to something more than wat the senses can perceive...
bisag napruv na..deny japon cla..they hav their own world...hehe

@chelle
y sure man kaau ka na ang freewill is given to us by God man??..
is there any traces of evidence that leads our freewill to God??..jst coz we can think for ourselves,
it doesnt mean man cgwo na we are high&mighty,the greatest creature on earth...
i personally bliv that every creature has a freewill...
obvious lng sa taw kay they can speak it out...
awa ang iro...kng gus2 nya paakon ang iyang amo..mapaak nya..kng di, di nya paakon..simple..hehe
mura gud katong KillerWhale sa tv...
iya gihunt ang usa ka-seal...in the end, iya ra gibalik sa shore ky di nya nhan kan-on...
wat say u bout that man?.. tongue


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mzapantaDate: Sunday, 16/11/2008, 3:23:55 AM | Message # 31
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@TONET
RELIGION.. for me.
kay murag to control "morality" rana.. for people who still don't understand why they should be moral. I do, so maybe mao i don't need religion.. (opinion ra hap)

@REY
Hm.. kanang "freewill from God" deduction ra nako na (John agrees! haha).. kuan, like "reasoning" which separates us from the rest of the animal world. REASONING i think is NOT merely a scientific process or what-eber chuchu. Sure ko na naay spiritual power behind it. it doesn't mean naa kay neurons, mahimong "rational" naka. What i mean is i believe in superior spiritual power.

 
remive4uDate: Sunday, 16/11/2008, 2:44:18 PM | Message # 32
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wat if u beliving in superior supernatural power is part ra sa reasoning power sa taw?..
anything he cnt rison out is instantly out of this world...
nya if God is omniscient or watsoever?..
hw come we hav freewill??..if he already knws wat we wil do...y wud dat be freewill man?..


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mzapantaDate: Sunday, 16/11/2008, 3:45:10 PM | Message # 33
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"free will".. feel nako automatic ra na niabot sa kalibotan.. man/animal knows nga pwede sila mubuhat og things. so ni-deduce sila nga "free" sila. e.g breathe, move, make sounds
"reasoning" ang naghatag og control over sa kani nga freedom.

hm.. lisod kaayo ni imong question Rey dah! (nosebleed)

Message edited by mzapanta - Sunday, 16/11/2008, 3:45:47 PM
 
remive4uDate: Sunday, 16/11/2008, 3:53:26 PM | Message # 34
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pwa nko di xa omniscient...
patient lng xa..hehe


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mzapantaDate: Sunday, 16/11/2008, 4:15:02 PM | Message # 35
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OMNISCIENT.. all knowing (?) OMNIPOTENT.. all-powerful..
hm.. di ko ka-comment ani.. impotent man ko. tao ra gud. haha.

which brings me back.. something or someone must be OMNIPOTENT out there.

 
remive4uDate: Sunday, 16/11/2008, 4:47:17 PM | Message # 36
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kabasa ka sa apocryphon of John chelle?..hehe
or the Secret Revelation of John, which the church that day, and up to now,
tries so hard to hide...
gi-state man dd2 na naa pay sumthing above God, the father...
nya gi-state pod dd2 na dghan ug aeons below sa spirit above god the father...
meaning naay Ultimate Being, below nya is God the father, and many other gods..hehe
wa ko xur if real ni or not..hehe

add lng ko ug site:
http://www.theskepticalreview.com/JAHPoliticsDeathToll.html


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Message edited by remive4u - Sunday, 16/11/2008, 5:09:54 PM
 
mzapantaDate: Sunday, 16/11/2008, 5:10:03 PM | Message # 37
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wow.. too much info ni para nako dah!
asa man ni mabasa.. sa bible? or lahi ni nga libro..?
unya..
tuo ka ani (?)
 
remive4uDate: Sunday, 16/11/2008, 5:21:44 PM | Message # 38
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sa kdghan gitago sa bout religion...
libug nko unxai tuohan..hahaha
gnostic gospel na xa chelle..
tanan books sa bible krn are gnostic gospels man...


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aliweeDate: Sunday, 16/11/2008, 6:00:33 PM | Message # 39
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d mn tah ni dapat lalison ang religion woi...
ky bsag saun pa nah pgtuyok2 ang lalis,
kng d mtoo, d jd nah mtoo... its FAITH my friends... biggrin

pero angkon mo or dli, nisimba namo,
and what in d hell are you doing there if you don't believe in the religion...

"what you read will only strengthen your thouhts...
whether you believe in it or not..." cool

@paing, nkasulti nko nmo nga d ko mtoo sauna,
pro karon , i don't think i don't... hihihi...
change of mind...


ikw ka!?

Message edited by aliwee - Sunday, 16/11/2008, 6:01:44 PM
 
redfoxDate: Monday, 17/11/2008, 1:24:55 PM | Message # 40
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bitaw2x....nangita lang jud mo og way para mag doubt mo sa inyong gitoohan......ako rah nang opinion hap!!!

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